Date   

Re: OTC Hearing Aids WITH Telecoils

John Woodgate
 

It is deeply disturbing to learn that an audiologist says that 'OTC hearing aids are not safe'. It is a totally unscientific generalization. It is possible that ANY hearing aid could cause additional hearing loss. This is if it delivers a too loud sound, causing 'ringing in the ears' and that warning sign is ignored.  Dispensed hearing aids should be set so that is cannot occur, but certainly my dispensed hearing aids can be set to 'play too loud for comfort'. Just don't do it! If you hear sound 'in your ear' rather than 'out in the room', the sound is too loud, so turn it down.

======================================================================================
Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

I hear, and I forget. I see, and I remember. I do, and I understand. Xunzi (340 - 245 BC)


On 2022-11-18 04:23, Barbara Cooledge wrote:

What is the $2,500.00? My husband’s aids were under $1,800.00 at Costco and they had the booth and technician and custom hearing exam. Not over-the-counter and not covered by insurance e except for initial examination. So, I am wondering, do over the counter just amplify? Or do you test yourself and customize your custom over-the-counter devices using your computer?
I’m just curious probably because my husband is losing his hearing. Does not have minor hearing loss.
An audiologist said on her site that over-the-counter are not safe. So is HLAA in the proper position on this? Could be a disaster?
Barbara


Re: OTC Hearing Aids WITH Telecoils

Barbara Cooledge
 

What is the $2,500.00? My husband’s aids were under $1,800.00 at Costco and they had the booth and technician and custom hearing exam. Not over-the-counter and not covered by insurance e except for initial examination. So, I am wondering, do over the counter just amplify? Or do you test yourself and customize your custom over-the-counter devices using your computer?
I’m just curious probably because my husband is losing his hearing. Does not have minor hearing loss.
An audiologist said on her site that over-the-counter are not safe. So is HLAA in the proper position on this? Could be a disaster?
Barbara

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 8:04 PM Stephen O. Frazier <hlaanm@...> wrote:
Hi All - It appears I left out some critically important words in the earlier  post on this matter.   The Lexie Lumen hearing aids referred to in it are not the only OTC hearing aids available in stores - Best Buy alone carries 10 different models plus a $2,500 PSAP..
 
The Lexie Lumen, though, is the only one that has telecoils.  When you add the OTC models sold at Best Buy, Verizon, Walgreens, and even at the Hy-Vee  supermarkets in some states, plus models available from a number of websites like CVS Cructfield etc., there's a plethora of OTC hearing aids to pick from BUT, still, only the Lexie Lumen has telecoils.
 
If this news disturbs your, please click on the link below and share your comments re the absence of telecoils in the comment box available by scrolling down to the bottom of the screen...
 
 
  Photo of Best Buy OTC hearing aid display located in the cellular phone area.  Contrary to Best Buy publicity, the "Blue Shirt" who helped me has had no training on the devices.  When asked about it his response was, "There's a training video course but it's not mandatory so I haven't taken it."
 
 
 
 
 
 
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
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---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: "Stephen O. Frazier" <hlaanm@...>
To: HLAATech@groups.io,  HLAAGITHL@...,  HLAAGITHL@groups.io,  HLAALeaders@...
Subject: [HLAATech] OTC Hearing Aids and Telecoils
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 15:52:38 GMT

Hi All - It appears that Lexie Lumen hearing aids are the only OTC FDA approved hearing aids (at Walgreen's) that are actually currently available over-the-counter in retail stores.  I have commented on this on the Hearing Health and Technology Matters blog
 
Comments on the blog from advocates of hearing loops like you would help to make the OTC hearing aid industry aware of the need to address this this issue.  You can visit the blog at:
 
 
 
  
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
                               Please support the
   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP
                               campaign of the
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OTC Hearing Aids WITH Telecoils

Stephen O. Frazier
 

Hi All - It appears I left out some critically important words in the earlier  post on this matter.   The Lexie Lumen hearing aids referred to in it are not the only OTC hearing aids available in stores - Best Buy alone carries 10 different models plus a $2,500 PSAP..
 
The Lexie Lumen, though, is the only one that has telecoils.  When you add the OTC models sold at Best Buy, Verizon, Walgreens, and even at the Hy-Vee  supermarkets in some states, plus models available from a number of websites like CVS Cructfield etc., there's a plethora of OTC hearing aids to pick from BUT, still, only the Lexie Lumen has telecoils.
 
If this news disturbs your, please click on the link below and share your comments re the absence of telecoils in the comment box available by scrolling down to the bottom of the screen...
 
 
  Photo of Best Buy OTC hearing aid display located in the cellular phone area.  Contrary to Best Buy publicity, the "Blue Shirt" who helped me has had no training on the devices.  When asked about it his response was, "There's a training video course but it's not mandatory so I haven't taken it."
 
 
 
 
 
 
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
                               Please support the
   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP
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---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: "Stephen O. Frazier" <hlaanm@...>
To: HLAATech@groups.io,  HLAAGITHL@...,  HLAAGITHL@groups.io,  HLAALeaders@...
Subject: [HLAATech] OTC Hearing Aids and Telecoils
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 15:52:38 GMT

Hi All - It appears that Lexie Lumen hearing aids are the only OTC FDA approved hearing aids (at Walgreen's) that are actually currently available over-the-counter in retail stores.  I have commented on this on the Hearing Health and Technology Matters blog
 
Comments on the blog from advocates of hearing loops like you would help to make the OTC hearing aid industry aware of the need to address this this issue.  You can visit the blog at:
 
 
 
  
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
                               Please support the
   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP
                               campaign of the
  Hearing Loss Association of America
 
 

 
            
 
              
 


OTC Hearing Aids and Telecoils

Stephen O. Frazier
 

Hi All - It appears that Lexie Lumen hearing aids are the only OTC FDA approved hearing aids (at Walgreen's) that are actually currently available over-the-counter in retail stores.  I have commented on this on the Hearing Health and Technology Matters blog
 
Comments on the blog from advocates of hearing loops like you would help to make the OTC hearing aid industry aware of the need to address this this issue.  You can visit the blog at:
 
 
 
  
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
                               Please support the
   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP
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Re: Hearing Loops and Transportation Article

Ann Thomas, HLAA Brand Ambassador
 

NY City has had hearing loops in taxi since around 2016.


Re: Hearing Loops and Transportation Article

John Woodgate
 

When there is no loop, your hearing aids go to maximum sensitivity, so they pick up the interference. When there is a signal from the loop, the sensitivity automatically reduces, so you don't hear the interference.

======================================================================================
Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

I hear, and I forget. I see, and I remember. I do, and I understand. Xunzi (340 - 245 BC)


On 2022-11-04 17:13, Marilyn Weinhouse, CO via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org wrote:

I don’t understand how Hearing Loops can be installed in cars. When I turn on my T coil in the car, I get a lot of static, I assume from the electromagnetic interference of the engine. Same thing if I try to use a neck loop on an airplane with my T coils.  ??
Thanks!


Re: Hearing Loops and Transportation Article

 

I don’t understand how Hearing Loops can be installed in cars. When I turn on my T coil in the car, I get a lot of static, I assume from the electromagnetic interference of the engine. Same thing if I try to use a neck loop on an airplane with my T coils.  ??
Thanks!


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

 

Thanks, John. Do you have a source for me, or are you working in the field? My best bet might be to negotiate some partial recovery with given periods of time, so I keep the new ones and pay less for replacements when AuraCast becomes available. But I can’t tell her I get info from John in Rayleigh, UK, that hearing aids with AuraCast may be available before I really need new hearing aids. 

Carol 

On Nov 3, 2022, at 7:14 PM, John Woodgate <jmw@...> wrote:

It requires a more advanced form of Bluetooth. Keep your present aids.

======================================================================================
Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

I hear, and I forget. I see, and I remember. I do, and I understand. Xunzi (340 - 245 BC)


On 2022-11-03 22:12, Carol in Boston wrote:
Thanks, Mary. Do you have any idea what will be needed in hearing aids? I upgraded mine but the difference in the new ones isn’t that great. I wonder whether to keep the new ones. Will AuraCast need anything beyond Bluetooth?

On Nov 3, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Mary Jarrett <mwjarrett@...> wrote:

Aura cast is available now for implementation. But it’s hard to tell how long it will take for hearing aid manufactures and venues to implement it. I’d guess several years before it’s widely available.



Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

John Woodgate
 

It requires a more advanced form of Bluetooth. Keep your present aids.

======================================================================================
Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

I hear, and I forget. I see, and I remember. I do, and I understand. Xunzi (340 - 245 BC)


On 2022-11-03 22:12, Carol in Boston wrote:

Thanks, Mary. Do you have any idea what will be needed in hearing aids? I upgraded mine but the difference in the new ones isn’t that great. I wonder whether to keep the new ones. Will AuraCast need anything beyond Bluetooth?

On Nov 3, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Mary Jarrett <mwjarrett@...> wrote:

Aura cast is available now for implementation. But it’s hard to tell how long it will take for hearing aid manufactures and venues to implement it. I’d guess several years before it’s widely available.


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

 

Thanks, Mary. Do you have any idea what will be needed in hearing aids? I upgraded mine but the difference in the new ones isn’t that great. I wonder whether to keep the new ones. Will AuraCast need anything beyond Bluetooth?

On Nov 3, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Mary Jarrett <mwjarrett@...> wrote:

Aura cast is available now for implementation. But it’s hard to tell how long it will take for hearing aid manufactures and venues to implement it. I’d guess several years before it’s widely available.


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

Mary Jarrett
 

Aura cast is available now for implementation. But it’s hard to tell how long it will take for hearing aid manufactures and venues to implement it. I’d guess several years before it’s widely available.


Re: Zoom Captions - Delay & Truncated #ZoomCaptions

 

I’m not aware of this problem but I am finding ASR is better than CART.

Carol Agate 

On Nov 1, 2022, at 10:35 AM, Carolyn Odio <carolyn@...> wrote:

Please Help!

Have you had the problem of delayed Zoom captions and /or truncated caption boxes? An example is attached below, (both in Word and PDF) as it happened to me with CART.

The Zoom Level 2 support is asking for additional contacts regarding this problem. Please let me know if this has happened to you: carolyn@...
Thanks so very much.
--
Carolyn J. Odio
HLAA Washington
Resident Council Rep & 
Hearing Loss Group at www.panorama.org

(703) 725-8292 iPhone/Text 
Residence: 1835 Circle LN SE, Apt 425, Lacey, WA 98503
 
 
 
<ZOOM TICKET _ 15564329.docx><ZOOM TICKET _ 15564329.pdf>


Re: Zoom Captions - Delay & Truncated #ZoomCaptions

 

Please Help!

Have you had the problem of delayed Zoom captions and /or truncated caption boxes? An example is attached below, (both in Word and PDF) as it happened to me with CART.

The Zoom Level 2 support is asking for additional contacts regarding this problem. Please let me know if this has happened to you: carolyn@...
Thanks so very much.
--
Carolyn J. Odio
HLAA Washington
Resident Council Rep & 
Hearing Loss Group at www.panorama.org

(703) 725-8292 iPhone/Text 
Residence: 1835 Circle LN SE, Apt 425, Lacey, WA 98503
 

 

 


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budap est Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

Stephen O. Frazier
 

Julie - As you and others could see from that letter there was no effort by HLAA, ALDA, TDI etc. to advocate for the presence of telecoils in their letter to the FDA.  
What are they representing?
 
Re the new technology,  there are problems with the hearing aid aps in the smaartphones.  With my new Starkey Evolv "smart hearing aids", half the time the app doesn't work because it can't find one of my hearing aids and it's not just me.  The Starkey website is full of complaints with the same problem and we all have Starkey "approved" phones.
 
I tried out some Rexton and some Signia hearing aids before buying the Starkeys and their app was so slow to load and then connect with the hearing aids that it was pretty much useless. 
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 
 
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
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---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton" <julieo@...>
To: <HLAATech@...>
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budap est Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 17:01:07 -0500

Thank you Steve. It’s easy to do that when writing. I had not seen the document before and appreciate you sharing it.  It is going to be very interesting to see how this entire OTC thing works out as it moves forward.

 

I am personally concerned about how complex some of the new hearing devices are getting, including processors for cochlear implants. Telecoil connectivity is so simple to use when it only requires the push of a button or switch on the device, along with the device or system one wants to connect for desired sound.  I’m starting to hear a lot of frustration about having to always have a smartphone on hand to manage settings.  I’m still with the N6  so have a lot to learn in the near future.

 

Thank you for all you do.

 

Julie Olson

 

From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 4:17 PM
To: HLAATech@...
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budap est Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil

 

Hi Julie - my bad.  "Not" apparently was thought but not typed.    They did not call for telecoils, only that packaging indicate the presence of telecoils if they were present.  See the attached.

 

Steve

 



---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton" <julieo@...>
To: <HLAATech@...>
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 14:19:33 -0500

Steve, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Did HLAA call for telecoils in their comments to FDA or didn’t they? The wording is confusing. Thanks for clarification of this sentence:  “You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.”

 

Thank you,

 

Julie Olson

 

 

From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 11:14 AM
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil

 

Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.

 

Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.

 

As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.

 

In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...

 

 

 

Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist

 

   

                 

                               Please support the

   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP

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---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 

 

 


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

Cheri Perazzoli WA
 

Hello Loopers,

The HLAA Board welcomes comments and feedback from members. I’m sorry to learn you all had difficulty locating the contact information for HLAA leadership. I’ll let the Meredith Resnick, Director of Strategic Communication know.

 

Our Hearing Life magazine features regular articles by Barbara Kelley, Executive Director and Kevin Franck, Board Chair. Author bio’s and contact information are listed at the end of every article.

 

bkelley@...

chair@...

 

For this edition, Barbara’s article features an update on Medicare while Kevin’s addresses strategic planning.  

If you don’t have your hard copy of Hearing Life magazine handy, you may wish to review this most recent edition on line:

https://hlaa.ygsclicbook.com/pubs/hearing-life/2022/fall-2022/live/index.html#p=1

 

Please feel free to reach out to me directly with any questions and concerns. I’d be happy to forward your email to the appropriate person(s).

 

Thanks so much for this lively passionate discussion.

Kind regards,

 

Cheri Perazzoli

Cheri.Perazzoli@...

 

From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 9:14 AM
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil

 

Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.

 

Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.

 

As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.

 

In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...

 

 

 

Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist

 

   

                 

                               Please support the

   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP

                               campaign of the

  Hearing Loss Association of America

 

 

 

 

            

 

              

 



---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budap est Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton
 

Thank you Steve. It’s easy to do that when writing. I had not seen the document before and appreciate you sharing it.  It is going to be very interesting to see how this entire OTC thing works out as it moves forward.

 

I am personally concerned about how complex some of the new hearing devices are getting, including processors for cochlear implants. Telecoil connectivity is so simple to use when it only requires the push of a button or switch on the device, along with the device or system one wants to connect for desired sound.  I’m starting to hear a lot of frustration about having to always have a smartphone on hand to manage settings.  I’m still with the N6  so have a lot to learn in the near future.

 

Thank you for all you do.

 

Julie Olson

 

From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 4:17 PM
To: HLAATech@...
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budap est Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil

 

Hi Julie - my bad.  "Not" apparently was thought but not typed.    They did not call for telecoils, only that packaging indicate the presence of telecoils if they were present.  See the attached.

 

Steve

 



---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton" <julieo@...>
To: <HLAATech@...>
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 14:19:33 -0500

Steve, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Did HLAA call for telecoils in their comments to FDA or didn’t they? The wording is confusing. Thanks for clarification of this sentence:  “You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.”

 

Thank you,

 

Julie Olson

 

 

From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 11:14 AM
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil

 

Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.

 

Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.

 

As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.

 

In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...

 

 

 

Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist

 

   

                 

                               Please support the

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---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 

 


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budap est Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

Stephen O. Frazier
 

Hi Julie - my bad.  "Not" apparently was thought but not typed.    They did not call for telecoils, only that packaging indicate the presence of telecoils if they were present.  See the attached.
 
Steve
 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton" <julieo@...>
To: <HLAATech@...>
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 14:19:33 -0500

Steve, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Did HLAA call for telecoils in their comments to FDA or didn’t they? The wording is confusing. Thanks for clarification of this sentence:  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.”

 

Thank you,

 

Julie Olson

 

 

From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 11:14 AM
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil

 

Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.

 

Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.

 

As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.

 

In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...

 

 

 

Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist

 

   

                 

                               Please support the

   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP

                               campaign of the

  Hearing Loss Association of America

 

 

 

 

            

 

              

 



---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 

 


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

David A Bitters Sr
 

My two cent on this is, most of the cheaper OTC hearing aids does not have t-coil.  Some of those aid works quite well.  Will they have the new tech in them? Don’t know.  But if the current cheaper aids work, it be a large market over t-coil.   

Have a nice day,  David A Bitters


On Oct 31, 2022, at 4:02 PM, John Woodgate <jmw@...> wrote:



Well, in about an hour's time, I will be taking part in the IEC committee on this subject, although Auracast won't be discussed until tomorrow. I'm not 100% expert, because I can't join the 'inner circle' of Bluetooth since I am not a limited company! There is no doubt that Bluetooth are working as fast as they can to actually release Auracast; the delay must be quite embarrassing.

After Auracast is released, we will see a growth of installations, and a reduction in the installation of hearing loops, because, as you say, the installation costs can be very different. But there are tens of thousands of hearing loops out there, even if there should be ten times more, and millions of hearing aids that don't have Auracast but do have telecoils, even though there should be ten times more. We expect hearing loops to last for at least another ten years, and quite possibly more. There may be a celebration of the decommissioning of the last hearing loop in 2052.

However, I have yet to hear of a building that can't have a hearing loop installed. Hearing loops have been installed in metal elevator cages, and I mean solid metal sheet, not mesh.

======================================================================================
Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

I hear, and I forget. I see, and I remember. I do, and I understand. Xunzi (340 - 245 BC)


On 2022-10-31 19:29, Carol in Boston wrote:
I am puzzled about AuraCast. I recently bought Phonak Lumity aids. Of course they have telecoils, but I’m wondering how soon AuraCast will be replacing looping. Looping is such a tough sell be installation is expensive, and can’t be installed in many buildings. I understand the latency problem has been eliminated to the extent that it is negligible. It this true, or is it just their PR? I don’t know whether to return these aids and stick with my old ones if me new ones will be outdated within a couple of years. 

Is anyone knowledgeable about this issue?

Carol Agate 

On Oct 31, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton <julieo@...> wrote:

Steve, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Did HLAA call for telecoils in their comments to FDA or didn’t they? The wording is confusing. Thanks for clarification of this sentence:  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.”
 
Thank you,
 
Julie Olson
 
 
From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 11:14 AM
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil
 
Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.
 
Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.
 
As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.
 
In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...
 
 
 
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
                               Please support the
   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP
                               campaign of the
  Hearing Loss Association of America
 
 
 
 
             
 
              
 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

John Woodgate
 

Well, in about an hour's time, I will be taking part in the IEC committee on this subject, although Auracast won't be discussed until tomorrow. I'm not 100% expert, because I can't join the 'inner circle' of Bluetooth since I am not a limited company! There is no doubt that Bluetooth are working as fast as they can to actually release Auracast; the delay must be quite embarrassing.

After Auracast is released, we will see a growth of installations, and a reduction in the installation of hearing loops, because, as you say, the installation costs can be very different. But there are tens of thousands of hearing loops out there, even if there should be ten times more, and millions of hearing aids that don't have Auracast but do have telecoils, even though there should be ten times more. We expect hearing loops to last for at least another ten years, and quite possibly more. There may be a celebration of the decommissioning of the last hearing loop in 2052.

However, I have yet to hear of a building that can't have a hearing loop installed. Hearing loops have been installed in metal elevator cages, and I mean solid metal sheet, not mesh.

======================================================================================
Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

I hear, and I forget. I see, and I remember. I do, and I understand. Xunzi (340 - 245 BC)


On 2022-10-31 19:29, Carol in Boston wrote:

I am puzzled about AuraCast. I recently bought Phonak Lumity aids. Of course they have telecoils, but I’m wondering how soon AuraCast will be replacing looping. Looping is such a tough sell be installation is expensive, and can’t be installed in many buildings. I understand the latency problem has been eliminated to the extent that it is negligible. It this true, or is it just their PR? I don’t know whether to return these aids and stick with my old ones if me new ones will be outdated within a couple of years. 

Is anyone knowledgeable about this issue?

Carol Agate 

On Oct 31, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton <julieo@...> wrote:

Steve, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Did HLAA call for telecoils in their comments to FDA or didn’t they? The wording is confusing. Thanks for clarification of this sentence:  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.”
 
Thank you,
 
Julie Olson
 
 
From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 11:14 AM
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil
 
Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.
 
Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.
 
As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.
 
In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...
 
 
 
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
                               Please support the
   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP
                               campaign of the
  Hearing Loss Association of America
 
 
 
 
             
 
              
 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

 

I am puzzled about AuraCast. I recently bought Phonak Lumity aids. Of course they have telecoils, but I’m wondering how soon AuraCast will be replacing looping. Looping is such a tough sell be installation is expensive, and can’t be installed in many buildings. I understand the latency problem has been eliminated to the extent that it is negligible. It this true, or is it just their PR? I don’t know whether to return these aids and stick with my old ones if me new ones will be outdated within a couple of years. 

Is anyone knowledgeable about this issue?

Carol Agate 

On Oct 31, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton <julieo@...> wrote:

Steve, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Did HLAA call for telecoils in their comments to FDA or didn’t they? The wording is confusing. Thanks for clarification of this sentence:  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.”
 
Thank you,
 
Julie Olson
 
 
From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 11:14 AM
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil
 
Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.
 
Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.
 
As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.
 
In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...
 
 
 
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
                               Please support the
   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP
                               campaign of the
  Hearing Loss Association of America
 
 
 
 
             
 
              
 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 


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