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Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budap est Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

Stephen O. Frazier
 

Hi Julie - my bad.  "Not" apparently was thought but not typed.    They did not call for telecoils, only that packaging indicate the presence of telecoils if they were present.  See the attached.
 
Steve
 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton" <julieo@...>
To: <HLAATech@...>
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 14:19:33 -0500

Steve, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Did HLAA call for telecoils in their comments to FDA or didn’t they? The wording is confusing. Thanks for clarification of this sentence:  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.”

 

Thank you,

 

Julie Olson

 

 

From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 11:14 AM
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil

 

Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.

 

Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.

 

As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.

 

In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...

 

 

 

Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist

 

   

                 

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---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 

 


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

David A Bitters Sr
 

My two cent on this is, most of the cheaper OTC hearing aids does not have t-coil.  Some of those aid works quite well.  Will they have the new tech in them? Don’t know.  But if the current cheaper aids work, it be a large market over t-coil.   

Have a nice day,  David A Bitters


On Oct 31, 2022, at 4:02 PM, John Woodgate <jmw@...> wrote:



Well, in about an hour's time, I will be taking part in the IEC committee on this subject, although Auracast won't be discussed until tomorrow. I'm not 100% expert, because I can't join the 'inner circle' of Bluetooth since I am not a limited company! There is no doubt that Bluetooth are working as fast as they can to actually release Auracast; the delay must be quite embarrassing.

After Auracast is released, we will see a growth of installations, and a reduction in the installation of hearing loops, because, as you say, the installation costs can be very different. But there are tens of thousands of hearing loops out there, even if there should be ten times more, and millions of hearing aids that don't have Auracast but do have telecoils, even though there should be ten times more. We expect hearing loops to last for at least another ten years, and quite possibly more. There may be a celebration of the decommissioning of the last hearing loop in 2052.

However, I have yet to hear of a building that can't have a hearing loop installed. Hearing loops have been installed in metal elevator cages, and I mean solid metal sheet, not mesh.

======================================================================================
Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

I hear, and I forget. I see, and I remember. I do, and I understand. Xunzi (340 - 245 BC)


On 2022-10-31 19:29, Carol in Boston wrote:
I am puzzled about AuraCast. I recently bought Phonak Lumity aids. Of course they have telecoils, but I’m wondering how soon AuraCast will be replacing looping. Looping is such a tough sell be installation is expensive, and can’t be installed in many buildings. I understand the latency problem has been eliminated to the extent that it is negligible. It this true, or is it just their PR? I don’t know whether to return these aids and stick with my old ones if me new ones will be outdated within a couple of years. 

Is anyone knowledgeable about this issue?

Carol Agate 

On Oct 31, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton <julieo@...> wrote:

Steve, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Did HLAA call for telecoils in their comments to FDA or didn’t they? The wording is confusing. Thanks for clarification of this sentence:  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.”
 
Thank you,
 
Julie Olson
 
 
From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 11:14 AM
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil
 
Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.
 
Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.
 
As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.
 
In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...
 
 
 
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
                               Please support the
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---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

John Woodgate
 

Well, in about an hour's time, I will be taking part in the IEC committee on this subject, although Auracast won't be discussed until tomorrow. I'm not 100% expert, because I can't join the 'inner circle' of Bluetooth since I am not a limited company! There is no doubt that Bluetooth are working as fast as they can to actually release Auracast; the delay must be quite embarrassing.

After Auracast is released, we will see a growth of installations, and a reduction in the installation of hearing loops, because, as you say, the installation costs can be very different. But there are tens of thousands of hearing loops out there, even if there should be ten times more, and millions of hearing aids that don't have Auracast but do have telecoils, even though there should be ten times more. We expect hearing loops to last for at least another ten years, and quite possibly more. There may be a celebration of the decommissioning of the last hearing loop in 2052.

However, I have yet to hear of a building that can't have a hearing loop installed. Hearing loops have been installed in metal elevator cages, and I mean solid metal sheet, not mesh.

======================================================================================
Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

I hear, and I forget. I see, and I remember. I do, and I understand. Xunzi (340 - 245 BC)


On 2022-10-31 19:29, Carol in Boston wrote:

I am puzzled about AuraCast. I recently bought Phonak Lumity aids. Of course they have telecoils, but I’m wondering how soon AuraCast will be replacing looping. Looping is such a tough sell be installation is expensive, and can’t be installed in many buildings. I understand the latency problem has been eliminated to the extent that it is negligible. It this true, or is it just their PR? I don’t know whether to return these aids and stick with my old ones if me new ones will be outdated within a couple of years. 

Is anyone knowledgeable about this issue?

Carol Agate 

On Oct 31, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton <julieo@...> wrote:

Steve, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Did HLAA call for telecoils in their comments to FDA or didn’t they? The wording is confusing. Thanks for clarification of this sentence:  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.”
 
Thank you,
 
Julie Olson
 
 
From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 11:14 AM
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil
 
Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.
 
Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.
 
As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.
 
In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...
 
 
 
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
                               Please support the
   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP
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---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

 

I am puzzled about AuraCast. I recently bought Phonak Lumity aids. Of course they have telecoils, but I’m wondering how soon AuraCast will be replacing looping. Looping is such a tough sell be installation is expensive, and can’t be installed in many buildings. I understand the latency problem has been eliminated to the extent that it is negligible. It this true, or is it just their PR? I don’t know whether to return these aids and stick with my old ones if me new ones will be outdated within a couple of years. 

Is anyone knowledgeable about this issue?

Carol Agate 

On Oct 31, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton <julieo@...> wrote:

Steve, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Did HLAA call for telecoils in their comments to FDA or didn’t they? The wording is confusing. Thanks for clarification of this sentence:  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.”
 
Thank you,
 
Julie Olson
 
 
From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 11:14 AM
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil
 
Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.
 
Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.
 
As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.
 
In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...
 
 
 
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
                               Please support the
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---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 



Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton
 

Steve, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Did HLAA call for telecoils in their comments to FDA or didn’t they? The wording is confusing. Thanks for clarification of this sentence:  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.”

 

Thank you,

 

Julie Olson

 

 

From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 11:14 AM
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #Advocacy #Telecoil

 

Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.

 

Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.

 

As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.

 

In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...

 

 

 

Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist

 

   

                 

                               Please support the

   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP

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---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 


Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declara tion #advocacy #Telecoil

Stephen O. Frazier
 

Ron - You have been very effective in presenting your thoughts re the lack of aggressive advocacy for telecoils on the part of the national office in regard to hearing care providers and hearing aid manufacturers but you've been preaching to the choir.  You say you are not the one to lead an effort on marketing HLAA and possibly of developing a plan to reach out to the hearing care and hearing aid manufacturing industries on the need for telecoils but you could, I believe, very effectively share your thoughts on these matters not with us choristers but with the board of directors.
 
Email addresses for the board members don't seem to be made public but an open letter to all board members via Barbara Kelley detailing your thinking would certainly do no harm.  She would obviously share it with the board.  Others on this list could do likewise and such letters might result in the board's consideration of a policy that would be more aggressive in the pursuit of recognition of the endorsement and promotion of telecoil technology on the part of those industries.  This would be particularly helpful for the OTC hearing aid manufacturers who have been oblivious to the support of and need for telecoils on the part of educated hearing care consumers.  You'll recall HLAA did even call for telecoils in the devices in their comments to the FDA re the proposed rules for OTC hearing aids last summer.
 
As for practitioners, in their "statement of strategic intent" in 2012, the HLAA board said the association should encourage providers to follow best practices and that clinicians should offer a wide spectrum of devices and treatments, know how they work, and base care on an assessment of each person’s hearing and lifestyle needs.  I don't recall ever seeing a report to the membership on if, when and how such encouragement was and/or is being provided.  I'm sure such a report would be eagerly read by many of us.
 
In advocating for telecoils, every voice counts - don't quite yours...
 
 
 
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
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---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ron Moe" <ron@...>
To: HLAAGITHL@...
Subject: Re: [HLAAGITHL] Strong support of telecoils by IFHOH, Budapest Declaration #Advocacy #Telecoil
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:11:32 -0700

Thank you Michelle and Linda for your encouraging words. It appears that I have struck a nerve. For the most part, I believe that HLAA has relied on the hearing health professionals to promote HLAA as well as telecoils and hearing loops. But as we have discovered. that effort is mostly useless. Word of mouth often works but for some reason, word of mouth fails mostly because of stigmas, plus when people do finally accept that they need hearing aids, they rely on the "professionals" instead of end users. I am speaking general of course. As I have mentioned in past posts, for whatever reasons, HLAA has not put Hearing Loops and Telecoils as a top priority. I don't know if it has to do with charters or whatever but unless we as a group begin to speak loudly and often to HLAA leadership, not just Barbara Kelly, but the board perhaps. HLAA is a great organization and has a good start but after 4o or more years of existence, the masses still haven't heard of HLAA or Hearing Loops and Telecoils. The masses have heard of AARP, AG Bell perhaps but a new way of doing things needs to happen. I wish I had the talent and skills to lead this effort but that is not my gift. I have been able to point out the real problem, but someone or some group of gifted and talented people need to take the effort forward. So many individuals have worked so hard to do their part, and they continue to believe that what they are doing is the way forward. I am 78 and I don't have another 40 years to take this on even if I had the gifts, talents and skills. But it will take another 40 years if we continue as we have been doing. 


Re: Speech-to-Text Apps

RICHARD EINHORN
 

Carol,

It depends on your hearing aid brand and model. The manual for the hearing aid app should be able to provide info. It’s usually under Settings. For some hearing aids, only the audiologist can set the aids up so that they keep the mic on when streaming.

R

On Oct 30, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Carol in Boston <carolagate34@...> wrote:

Richard,

How do I find that setting?

Thanks,

Carol 

On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:21 AM, RICHARD EINHORN via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org <richardein=aol.com@...> wrote:

Cheri is correct. Turn BT off on your phone. Some HAs have a setting which will allow you to make a preset that allows BT streaming plus live mic. That is another possibility. I use both.

R

On Oct 29, 2022, at 6:32 PM, Cheri Perazzoli WA <cheri.perazzoli@...> wrote:

Try turning BT off. I’ve not experienced my hearing aids being turned off while using AVA. However, if I’m in a looped venue, using my telecoil setting, and use AVA, my telecoil will shut off.
 
Cheri Perazzoli
 
 
From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Carol in Boston via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 2:41 PM
To: HLAATech@...
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Speech-to-Text Apps
 
Marilyn,
 
This has plagued me, too. Both Ava and Otter use the iPhone mic, but the hearing aids have their own mic. So I don’t understand it. Maybe it’s because the hearing aids use the volume control app there is a connection to the phone. I think I’ll try closing the Phonak app and see whether that works.
 
Carol  


On Oct 29, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Marilyn Weinhouse, CO via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org <Xweinhouse=aol.com@...> wrote:
 
When I use Otter or Ava, it turns my hearing aids off. Does anyone know if there’s a way to change my settings so that doesn’t happen? Or a different speech to text app that won’t do that? I have an iPhone. 
Thanks! 

Marilyn.

Marilyn Morse Weinhouse
(619) 316-1817 
MAKE a good day!
 
 


 
 





Re: Speech-to-Text Apps

 

Richard,

How do I find that setting?

Thanks,

Carol 

On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:21 AM, RICHARD EINHORN via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org <richardein=aol.com@...> wrote:

Cheri is correct. Turn BT off on your phone. Some HAs have a setting which will allow you to make a preset that allows BT streaming plus live mic. That is another possibility. I use both.

R

On Oct 29, 2022, at 6:32 PM, Cheri Perazzoli WA <cheri.perazzoli@...> wrote:

Try turning BT off. I’ve not experienced my hearing aids being turned off while using AVA. However, if I’m in a looped venue, using my telecoil setting, and use AVA, my telecoil will shut off.
 
Cheri Perazzoli
 
 
From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Carol in Boston via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 2:41 PM
To: HLAATech@...
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Speech-to-Text Apps
 
Marilyn,
 
This has plagued me, too. Both Ava and Otter use the iPhone mic, but the hearing aids have their own mic. So I don’t understand it. Maybe it’s because the hearing aids use the volume control app there is a connection to the phone. I think I’ll try closing the Phonak app and see whether that works.
 
Carol  


On Oct 29, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Marilyn Weinhouse, CO via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org <Xweinhouse=aol.com@...> wrote:
 
When I use Otter or Ava, it turns my hearing aids off. Does anyone know if there’s a way to change my settings so that doesn’t happen? Or a different speech to text app that won’t do that? I have an iPhone. 
Thanks! 

Marilyn.

Marilyn Morse Weinhouse
(619) 316-1817 
MAKE a good day!
 
 


 
 




Speech-to-Text Apps

 

Cheri,
THANKS!  Turning off Bluetooth worked!  That was easy!
Yay!
:-)
Marilyn in Denver

Marilyn Morse Weinhouse
619 316-1817 
MAKE a great day!
 


Re: Speech-to-Text Apps

RICHARD EINHORN
 

Cheri is correct. Turn BT off on your phone. Some HAs have a setting which will allow you to make a preset that allows BT streaming plus live mic. That is another possibility. I use both.

R

On Oct 29, 2022, at 6:32 PM, Cheri Perazzoli WA <cheri.perazzoli@...> wrote:

Try turning BT off. I’ve not experienced my hearing aids being turned off while using AVA. However, if I’m in a looped venue, using my telecoil setting, and use AVA, my telecoil will shut off.
 
Cheri Perazzoli
 
 
From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Carol in Boston via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 2:41 PM
To: HLAATech@...
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Speech-to-Text Apps
 
Marilyn,
 
This has plagued me, too. Both Ava and Otter use the iPhone mic, but the hearing aids have their own mic. So I don’t understand it. Maybe it’s because the hearing aids use the volume control app there is a connection to the phone. I think I’ll try closing the Phonak app and see whether that works.
 
Carol  


On Oct 29, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Marilyn Weinhouse, CO via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org <Xweinhouse=aol.com@...> wrote:
 
When I use Otter or Ava, it turns my hearing aids off. Does anyone know if there’s a way to change my settings so that doesn’t happen? Or a different speech to text app that won’t do that? I have an iPhone. 
Thanks! 

Marilyn.

Marilyn Morse Weinhouse
(619) 316-1817 
MAKE a good day!
 
 


 
 



Re: Speech-to-Text Apps

Cheri Perazzoli WA
 

Try turning BT off. I’ve not experienced my hearing aids being turned off while using AVA. However, if I’m in a looped venue, using my telecoil setting, and use AVA, my telecoil will shut off.

 

Cheri Perazzoli

cheri.perazzoli@...

 

 

From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Carol in Boston via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 2:41 PM
To: HLAATech@...
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Speech-to-Text Apps

 

Marilyn,

 

This has plagued me, too. Both Ava and Otter use the iPhone mic, but the hearing aids have their own mic. So I don’t understand it. Maybe it’s because the hearing aids use the volume control app there is a connection to the phone. I think I’ll try closing the Phonak app and see whether that works.

 

Carol  



On Oct 29, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Marilyn Weinhouse, CO via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org <Xweinhouse=aol.com@...> wrote:

 

When I use Otter or Ava, it turns my hearing aids off. Does anyone know if there’s a way to change my settings so that doesn’t happen? Or a different speech to text app that won’t do that? I have an iPhone. 

Thanks! 

Marilyn.

Marilyn Morse Weinhouse

(619) 316-1817 

MAKE a good day!

 

 



 

 


Re: Speech-to-Text Apps

 

Marilyn,

This has plagued me, too. Both Ava and Otter use the iPhone mic, but the hearing aids have their own mic. So I don’t understand it. Maybe it’s because the hearing aids use the volume control app there is a connection to the phone. I think I’ll try closing the Phonak app and see whether that works.

Carol  

On Oct 29, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Marilyn Weinhouse, CO via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org <Xweinhouse=aol.com@...> wrote:

When I use Otter or Ava, it turns my hearing aids off. Does anyone know if there’s a way to change my settings so that doesn’t happen? Or a different speech to text app that won’t do that? I have an iPhone. 
Thanks! 
Marilyn.

Marilyn Morse Weinhouse
(619) 316-1817 
MAKE a good day!






Speech-to-Text Apps

 

When I use Otter or Ava, it turns my hearing aids off. Does anyone know if there’s a way to change my settings so that doesn’t happen? Or a different speech to text app that won’t do that? I have an iPhone. 
Thanks! 
Marilyn.

Marilyn Morse Weinhouse
(619) 316-1817 
MAKE a good day!





Zoom Captions - Delay & Truncated #ZoomCaptions

 

Zoom Ticket #15564329
I am having a second level conversation about the Captioning Delay with truncated captions with Zoom level 2 support. Since you cannot access the Zoom ticket #, If you want to be copied on this conversation, please send your email address to me and I will cc you. 
Attached is an example of the problem: This Word doc that shows electronic captions which work well and CART captions that were delayed and truncated. (The electronic captions were from a different meeting than the CART captions.) 
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carolyn@...
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Carolyn J. Odio
HLAA Washington
Resident Council Rep & 
Hearing Loss Group at www.panorama.org

(703) 725-8292 iPhone/Text 
Residence: 1835 Circle LN SE, Apt 425, Lacey, WA 98503
 

 

 


Re: Questions

Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton
 

Thanks Ann. 

 

Julie

 

From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Ann Thomas, HLAA Brand Ambassador
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 5:23 PM
To: HLAATech@...
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Questions

 

Julie, you just must have missed it.

These are the HLAA groups.io. The 4th Subgroups down is the HLAA Newsletter Editors. 


Re: Questions

Ann Thomas, HLAA Brand Ambassador
 

Julie, you just must have missed it.

These are the HLAA groups.io. The 4th Subgroups down is the HLAA Newsletter Editors. 


Re: Questions

Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton
 

Thank you Janie. I have not been getting any information about that list. Not sure why. Most appreciated. 

 

Julie Olson

 

From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Jaynie Kind, CA Peninsula Chapter
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 4:16 PM
To: HLAATech@...
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Questions

 

I’ve been posted our Peninsula chapter newsletters on the HLAA Newsletter Editors group, so it definitely still exists. Here’s the link. 


Jaynie Kind
Newsletter Editor 
Peninsula Chapter (Redwood City, CA)


Re: Questions

Jaynie Kind, CA Peninsula Chapter
 

I’ve been posted our Peninsula chapter newsletters on the HLAA Newsletter Editors group, so it definitely still exists. Here’s the link. 


Jaynie Kind
Newsletter Editor 
Peninsula Chapter (Redwood City, CA)


Re: Questions

Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton
 

I am also wondering about the HLAA newsletter group. It seems that many think websites have overtaken newsletters. That seems to be a mistake. People go to websites for basic information. They don’t go there regularly for info about meetings. Seniors tend to prefer getting a printed newsletter to read at their convenience. It’s a reality that most of our members are 60+ in age. Sending it by e-mail is good too, but best to use both means of circulation if possible.

 

Our chapter newsletter is printed and mailed to about 300 recipients. It is e-mailed to another 200. This monthly newsletter is also our meeting notice.  It gives people the chance to contribute to it if they choose.   Even more important, our chapter newsletter is our main fundraiser.  We don’t have advertisements in the publication. Instead, we have a Sponsor Column.  There are 4 categories of Sponsors; Platinum, Gold, Silver & Bronze. Each calendar year we raise between $5000 and $6000 in sponsor donations.  Some are from hearing healthcare professionals, but most are from people who have attended our chapter meetings who want to support our efforts.  They  are listed alphabetically in the 4 categories.  This project has also generated some bequests. Our chapter is 35+ years old, so we have lost several who were dedicated to HLAA over the years.

 

I mention this because we believe in our newsletter. Several years ago we considered dropping it and going with a website. A survey we sent out with the newsletter showed that people wanted the newsletter to continue, and so it has.

 

I’d like to know if the national HLAA Group for newsletters still exists as I’ve not seen anything posted recently. Nor have I posted our chapter’s publication. I’d like to.

 

I encourage chapters to consider how a printed and published NL can help grow your chapter and help it thrive financially.

 

Our chapter does not have dues. We encourage people to become national members.

 

Julie Olson, Founder/Newsletter Editor

HLAA Fox Valley Chapter (Appleton Wisconsin)

hlaafoxvalley@...

 

NOTE: We do post information on our HLAAWI state website under chapters. Not knocking websites as they serve a purpose too. They just don’t work well as a meeting notice that will draw people to a meeting or program.

 

From: HLAATech@... <HLAATech@...> On Behalf Of Stephen O. Frazier
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 10:50 AM
To: cdyer@...
Cc: HLAATech@groups.io; HLAAGITHL@...; HLAAGITHL@groups.io; HLAATech@groups.io; HLAATech@...; HLAALeaders@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Questions

 

Hi Cindy - Surprised you have not been put in touch with the various lists to give you a feel for what sort of articles would be of interest to HLAA members and HL readers.

 

There is (or was) a newsletter editors list that I organized years ago but I don't know if it's still active of not.  It was a Yahoo list and when the changes came as a result of Yahoo discontinuing that service I don't know if it continued or not - the local chapter editor here did not belong.

 

Here are the lists I believe are currently active.  I would think of you send an email to each of these addresses that you would get a return email instructing you as to how to go about being added to the list.

 

"All Things Tech Groups.io"<HLAATech@groups.io>,

"GITHL Group HLAA"<HLAAGITHL@...>,

"HLAA GITHL"<HLAAGITHL@groups.io>,

 

If you're interest, I have started a new blog and have a website where all of my articles get posted (www.sofnabq.com).  The blog is brand new and I sent out an email notice about it last week to my 2500 member database of HoH, hearing care providers, other service providers, loop manufacturers/distributors/installers.  They also all get my quarterly newsletter   I could add your name to blog and the newsletter if you're interested.

 

One of the comments I've seen repeated on the leaders list is that they would like to see more articles in HL that apply to their life - how to articles, new tech articles etc. instead of "my life stories".  That's what prompted me to write the two pieces I submitted.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist

 

   

                 

                               Please support the

   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP

                               campaign of the

  Hearing Loss Association of America

 

 

 

 

            

 

              

 



---------- Original Message ----------
From: Cindy Dyer <cdyer@...>
To: "Stephen O. Frazier" <hlaanm@...>
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 14:37:49 +0000

Stephen,

 

How can I get into the listservs? I'm curious about what is being said about the lack of direction, and the magazine happenings in general (it makes me a little crazy, unsure and dubious, if you must know). Just curiouscan you tell me a bit more?

 

Thanks

 


From: Stephen O. Frazier <hlaanm@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2022 10:45 AM
To: Cindy Dyer <cdyer@...>
Subject: Re: Questions

 

Hi Cindy - Thanks for your very prompt reply.  In looking over the latest issue of the magazine and the website I could find no listing of an editor.  I share your hope that you'll be officially named the editor and that it will stay that way.  I don't know if you follow the various  HLAA listservs but the troops are getting restless with all of the changes and seeming lack of direction.

 

The articles in question were attached to my email to you yesterday..  I know you can't tell me right now that they will or will not be used but at least I now know they are there for consideration.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist

 

   

                 

                               Please support the

   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP

                               campaign of the

  Hearing Loss Association of America

 

 

 

 

            

 

              

 



Please note: message attached

From: Cindy Dyer <cdyer@...>
To: "Stephen O. Frazier" <hlaanm@...>
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 18:54:50 -0400


Re: Questions

Stephen O. Frazier
 

Hi Cindy - Surprised you have not been put in touch with the various lists to give you a feel for what sort of articles would be of interest to HLAA members and HL readers.
 
There is (or was) a newsletter editors list that I organized years ago but I don't know if it's still active of not.  It was a Yahoo list and when the changes came as a result of Yahoo discontinuing that service I don't know if it continued or not - the local chapter editor here did not belong.
 
Here are the lists I believe are currently active.  I would think of you send an email to each of these addresses that you would get a return email instructing you as to how to go about being added to the list.
 
"All Things Tech Groups.io"<HLAATech@groups.io>,
"GITHL Group HLAA"<HLAAGITHL@...>,
"HLAA GITHL"<HLAAGITHL@groups.io>,
"HLAA Tech"<HLAATech@...>,<HLAALeaders@groups.io>,
 
If you're interest, I have started a new blog and have a website where all of my articles get posted (www.sofnabq.com).  The blog is brand new and I sent out an email notice about it last week to my 2500 member database of HoH, hearing care providers, other service providers, loop manufacturers/distributors/installers.  They also all get my quarterly newsletter   I could add your name to blog and the newsletter if you're interested.
 
One of the comments I've seen repeated on the leaders list is that they would like to see more articles in HL that apply to their life - how to articles, new tech articles etc. instead of "my life stories".  That's what prompted me to write the two pieces I submitted.
 
Regards,
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
                               Please support the
   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP
                               campaign of the
  Hearing Loss Association of America
 
 

 
            
 
              
 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Cindy Dyer <cdyer@...>
To: "Stephen O. Frazier" <hlaanm@...>
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 14:37:49 +0000

Stephen,
 
How can I get into the listservs? I'm curious about what is being said about the lack of direction, and the magazine happenings in general (it makes me a little crazy, unsure and dubious, if you must know). Just curious�can you tell me a bit more?
 
Thanks
 

From: Stephen O. Frazier <hlaanm@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2022 10:45 AM
To: Cindy Dyer <cdyer@...>
Subject: Re: Questions
 
Hi Cindy - Thanks for your very prompt reply.  In looking over the latest issue of the magazine and the website I could find no listing of an editor.  I share your hope that you'll be officially named the editor and that it will stay that way.  I don't know if you follow the various  HLAA listservs but the troops are getting restless with all of the changes and seeming lack of direction.
 
The articles in question were attached to my email to you yesterday..  I know you can't tell me right now that they will or will not be used but at least I now know they are there for consideration.
 
Regards,
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 
 
Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
 
   
                 
                               Please support the
   GET IN THE HEARING LOOP
                               campaign of the
  Hearing Loss Association of America
 
 

 
            
 
              
 


Please note: message attached

From: Cindy Dyer <cdyer@...>
To: "Stephen O. Frazier" <hlaanm@...>
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 18:54:50 -0400

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