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Re: Recording Zoom Videos

Alan Katsura, Moderator, CA Diablo Valley Chapter
 

Hi Marilyn

Did you edit the YouTube generated captions?

George has spent a lot of time experimenting with Zoom. I have limited experience with Zoom recordings and captioning. I have captioned videos in the past, including some FEMA videos. This was several years ago. At that time, the software I was using (now available Mac only, I have a PC) allowed me to make perfect captions - open or closed - placed anywhere on the screen, but it took me about an hour to caption ten minutes.

I tried captioning one of our chapter meetings (approximately 90 minutes) and tried several methods before giving it a rest. Using the VTT file from a CART captioner usually is the best way to start. In our last meeting's recording, I found that CADET could shift the timing in the VTT file - needed because I trimmed the video.  I still had issues with the timing. What I ended up doing was allow YouTube to create the captions and then edit the captions and adding speakers. While doing so, I managed to mess up the display lengths of many of the lines. You have to be careful when using deletes and backspaces. So while the captioning is accurate, the visual appeal leaves something to be desired. You can sample the captions here.

YouTube changed the method captions are created. You used to have an option to have Google generate a caption file. Now, that option is gone and it seems that the file is automatically generated after the video is uploaded. The only thing is that there isn't a way to know how long before the file is available. When I uploaded our video to YouTube Studio, it took a week for the captions to appear. Again, it was a 90-minute video and ended up with 4800 lines. How long was your video?

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Alan Katsura
Moderator HLAA Tech Group


Re: Recording Zoom Videos

 


On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 11:28 AM Marilyn Weinhouse, CO via groups.io <Xweinhouse=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I would like some advice on recording Zoom videos.  Is it better to save to your computer or to the cloud, and why?

I found more "on the fly" visual presentation flexibilities in recording to the computer vs. in recording to the cloud. e.g. "What you see, is what you get." 

With recording to the computer, I can interactively switch back and forth during recording between speaker and galley view. 

When screen sharing while recording to the computer, I can also record 
  1. In side by side view (shared screen on the left half, speaker or galley view on the right half, with ability change the 2 halves'  proportion, by dragging the dividing double line to the right or to the left), 
  2. Or in standard view (with a small speaker thumbnail overlying the upper right corner of the shared screen).
With recording to the cloud, the recording is in either speaker view or gallery view, set per the host account's cloud recording settings on the admin website pages at Zoom.us after signon, You cannot switch between  speaker and galley views in a single recording .MP4 file.  It is doable to have 2 separate .MP3 files, one in speaker view, and another file in gallery view. The PRO level account cavert is its 1 GB of cloud space allocation.  Recording a 1-2 hour meeting easily uses up over 1 GB, unless you pay a monthly fee for extra cloud space. Recording of 2 .MP4 files, one in each view, will at least double the space consumed. To date, I had occasionally exceeded the 1 GB allocation, with no obvious hard penalties, except bolded red advisories on the web based Recording Management screens.  

When screen sharing while recording to the cloud, you either get only the shared screen, or only the shared screen with a speaker thumbnail overlaying the upper left corner of the screen share, according to the Host account's Zoom.us cloud recording settings.

On captioning. .... There is a separate ".VTT" transcript file. Viewing the .VTT file in NotePad, the transcript is easier to read for Zoom's new automated Live Transcript than for using the Zoom's API token with either a human CART provider, or with third party ASR services (AVA or WebCaptioner). .... I have not yet researched how to view the .MP4 video incorporating the .VTT transcript into the playback. ... Hopefully, it is doable with some free or low cost video player application.  

For publishing to YouTube, I am not yet familiar with those in's and out's.

Hope this helps. This was my experience. There may be other variations I have not yet explored.
Sincerely,
GeorgeSR


Recording Zoom Videos

 

I would like some advice on recording Zoom videos.  Is it better to save to your computer or to the cloud, and why?
I've only done this twice.  The first time I saved to my computer.  The captions from our CART provider did not show up.
I posted it on YouTube and after a few hours, the YouTube captions showed up and were very good.

The next time I saved it to the cloud.  At first, the captions for our CART provider showed up and were very good, but later they became significantly delayed.  No idea why!  Then I posted it on YouTube and as before, after a few hours the YouTube captions showed up and were very good.
I saw that you can edit (cut parts out, I think) on the cloud, but I don't thing I could do that when I saved it to my computer.
Any advice would be appreciated!

BTW, if you want to see a great presentation about tinnitus, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHUMyIHTBZA
If the link doesn't work, you can find it on the HLAA-Denver website and Facebook page.
Many Thanks!
Marilyn


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton
 

Interesting. Thank you Alan. I’ll do some exploring.

 

Julie Olson

 

From: HLAATech@groups.io [mailto:HLAATech@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Katsura, Moderator, CA Diablo Valley Chapter
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 11:31 PM
To: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

Julie

I am not an expert on various methods of captioning. I have worked with captioning videos at various times.

First of all, the recordings we are using are not interactive. Your controls usually are play, pause, and rewind, and maybe CC. The view you get is selected by whoever publishes the recording and unless someone wants to get really ambitious, you will get only one view throughout the video. 

Caption placement in the lower part of the screen is a default setup for most captioning software and is not changeable by the user. There are services and software that can place the display in different locations. The two common file formats are SRT and WebVTT (VTT.) VTT allows for more extensibility and as such can be complex for a casual user. Think writing in HTML. If you are interested, here is the W3C page on WebVTT. My understanding is the VTT standard allows for placement of the captions and inline formatting of text. Most people/chapters upload their recordings to YouTube. YouTube is going to place the captioning in the lower part of the screen. If the caption file is VTT, the placement can be altered by entering additional coding. See this article on changing the positioning of captions on YouTube. A typical 90-minute chapter meeting may have between 4-5 thousand lines. 

Julie, here is something I just found out. Go to this video. Turn on the closed captions and drag the captions just as you would do in a Zoom meeting! This seems to work on YouTube videos. 
--
Alan Katsura
Moderator HLAA Tech Group


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

Alan Katsura, Moderator, CA Diablo Valley Chapter
 

Sorry, the captions pop back to the bottom of the screen after each block of text.

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Alan Katsura
Moderator HLAA Tech Group


Re: Moving Captions in YouTube Videos #Captioning #youtube

Alan Katsura, Moderator, CA Diablo Valley Chapter
 

Sorry all - the captions move back to the bottom after each line.
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Alan Katsura
Moderator HLAA Tech Group


Moving Captions in YouTube Videos #Captioning #youtube

Alan Katsura, Moderator, CA Diablo Valley Chapter
 

I discovered this while researching an issue one of our members was having, and I'm sure we all have had this problem.

Did you know you can drag the CC (not open captions) in YouTube videos just like in Zoom? If you did, why did you keep it a "secret?" Or did someone post it and I missed it?

In case it makes a difference, I am using a Windows 10 desktop.
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Alan Katsura
Moderator HLAA Tech Group


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

Alan Katsura, Moderator, CA Diablo Valley Chapter
 

Julie

I am not an expert on various methods of captioning. I have worked with captioning videos at various times.

First of all, the recordings we are using are not interactive. Your controls usually are play, pause, and rewind, and maybe CC. The view you get is selected by whoever publishes the recording and unless someone wants to get really ambitious, you will get only one view throughout the video. 

Caption placement in the lower part of the screen is a default setup for most captioning software and is not changeable by the user. There are services and software that can place the display in different locations. The two common file formats are SRT and WebVTT (VTT.) VTT allows for more extensibility and as such can be complex for a casual user. Think writing in HTML. If you are interested, here is the W3C page on WebVTT. My understanding is the VTT standard allows for placement of the captions and inline formatting of text. Most people/chapters upload their recordings to YouTube. YouTube is going to place the captioning in the lower part of the screen. If the caption file is VTT, the placement can be altered by entering additional coding. See this article on changing the positioning of captions on YouTube. A typical 90-minute chapter meeting may have between 4-5 thousand lines. 

Julie, here is something I just found out. Go to this video. Turn on the closed captions and drag the captions just as you would do in a Zoom meeting! This seems to work on YouTube videos. 
--
Alan Katsura
Moderator HLAA Tech Group


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton
 

My concern was not about the actual Zoom meeting. It was about the recorded version. I could move the captions during the meeting, but when viewing/listening to the recorded version, they were immovable and on the middle of the screen. No way to switch from gallery view to speaker view, etc. in the recording.

 

Julie

 

From: HLAATech@groups.io [mailto:HLAATech@groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Odio
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 11:00 AM
To: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

Julie, the other thing that makes a big difference is to update your operating system! Usually you go to the upper left corner, click on the icon (such as Chrome, Safari, Firefox etc) and click on "About" Usually you can update it there.
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Carolyn J. Odio

Resident Council Rep
Hearing Loss Group at www.panorama.org

(703) 725-8292 iPhone/Text 

Residence: 1835 Circle LN SE, Apt 425, Lacey, WA 98503

 

 

 


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton
 

I’m using a 6 month old Lenovo laptop.

 

Julie

 

From: HLAATech@groups.io [mailto:HLAATech@groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Odio
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:57 AM
To: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

Julie, what device are you using for this zoom? (Of course can't move captions on iPad or iPhone, to my knowledge)
I noticed zoom puts out updates...sometimes several a week. So I would just be sure you have the latest at (PC or Mac) at: Mac or PC Zoom Version Update
--

Carolyn J. Odio

Resident Council Rep
Hearing Loss Group at www.panorama.org

(703) 725-8292 iPhone/Text 

Residence: 1835 Circle LN SE, Apt 425, Lacey, WA 98503

 

 

 


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

Sorry...I don't know how to edit my posts...
So, in my case I go to the Apple Icon (Mac), click on that and then on "About..." to update my operating system. The previous note was to update your browser (smile). So update both items!
--
Carolyn J. Odio
Resident Council Rep
Hearing Loss Group at www.panorama.org

(703) 725-8292 iPhone/Text 
Residence: 1835 Circle LN SE, Apt 425, Lacey, WA 98503
 

 

 


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

Julie, the other thing that makes a big difference is to update your operating system! Usually you go to the upper left corner, click on the icon (such as Chrome, Safari, Firefox etc) and click on "About" Usually you can update it there.
--
Carolyn J. Odio
Resident Council Rep
Hearing Loss Group at www.panorama.org

(703) 725-8292 iPhone/Text 
Residence: 1835 Circle LN SE, Apt 425, Lacey, WA 98503
 

 

 


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

Julie, what device are you using for this zoom? (Of course can't move captions on iPad or iPhone, to my knowledge)
I noticed zoom puts out updates...sometimes several a week. So I would just be sure you have the latest at (PC or Mac) at: Mac or PC Zoom Version Update
--
Carolyn J. Odio
Resident Council Rep
Hearing Loss Group at www.panorama.org

(703) 725-8292 iPhone/Text 
Residence: 1835 Circle LN SE, Apt 425, Lacey, WA 98503
 

 

 


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton
 

It worked for me, but only up or down. I could not move the captions to the side.  Up worked better than down for me.

 

From: HLAATech@groups.io [mailto:HLAATech@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich Osborne
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 10:22 AM
To: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

I have tried this and it does not work for me. When I put the cursor over the captions, it changes to a hand so I expected to be able to move the caption but it does not have any effect. I have tried several things - all to no avail. I am running Windows 10 and was told it might be an Apple-only feature.


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

Captions Tip:
I use the "Show Subtitles" option for the Speaker View in Zoom. I turn off the captions "Hide Subtitles" and use the "View Full Transcript" for the Gallery View in Zoom. This is useful for Gallery View as it identifies the person talking.
--
Carolyn J. Odio
Resident Council Rep
Hearing Loss Group at www.panorama.org

(703) 725-8292 iPhone/Text 
Residence: 1835 Circle LN SE, Apt 425, Lacey, WA 98503
 

 

 


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

D Brooks
 


The feature I spoke of is on my laptop that is running windows.  Make sure you are running the latest version of zoom.  If that doesn’t fix it I am not sure what the problem is especially since the white hand appears and yet you cannot drag it to another location. 

Dan 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 11:22 AM Rich Osborne <richosborne@...> wrote:
I have tried this and it does not work for me. When I put the cursor over the captions, it changes to a hand so I expected to be able to move the caption but it does not have any effect. I have tried several things - all to no avail. I am running Windows 10 and was told it might be an Apple-only feature.

--
Best Always,
Dan

Daniel Brooks
HLAA New York State Association
President

HLAA Rochester Chapter 
Board Member and Past President

Healthy Living with Hearing Loss (HL2)
Co-Chair

Cell/text: 585-704-8191
HLAA NYSA Website: https://nyhearingloss.org/
HLAA Rochester Chapter Website: www.hearinglossrochester.org
HL2 Website: http://www.HL2.urmc.edu 


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

D Brooks
 

I see  👍🏼

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 11:19 AM Julie Olson <julieo@...> wrote:

Thanks Dan. That isn’t the problem. Moving the captions works great during the live Zoom meeting. I’m referring to the saved for replay one; the recording.  Not possible to move it on that.

 

Julie

 

From: HLAATech@groups.io [mailto:HLAATech@groups.io] On Behalf Of D Brooks
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 9:46 AM
To: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

Hi Julie,

 

Zoom about month or so ago gave us the ability to move the caption box.  If you mouse over the caption box with your cursor you will see a white hand appear.  Right click on the caption box and drag it where you want to.  I have found there is no perfect spot to place the caption but the feature is helpful at time.  

 

Hope this helps,

 

Dan Brooks

HLAA New York State Association 

President

 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 10:40 AM Julie Olson <julieo@...> wrote:

Sharing an experience with Zoom captions:   Last Friday I participated on Mayo Clinic Connect mentor’s discussion. The captions worked well. Everyone was impressed. I think only 3 of the group need them.  The session was recorded so those unable to attend could review it.  On the recording, the captions were all mid screen, mostly across the speaker’s face. Really annoying. The host was set on ‘speaker view’.  Wondering if gallery view would eliminate that issue.  There were 12 people on this conference.

 

Julie Olson 

 

From: HLAATech@groups.io [mailto:HLAATech@groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Odio
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 7:22 AM
To: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

I am attaching a pdf file, so that you can see the Zoom support response and my response to it. This will make it easier for you to enlarge the text. We may be getting some "traction" here...
--

Carolyn J. Odio

Resident Council Rep
Hearing Loss Group at www.panorama.org

(703) 725-8292 iPhone/Text 

--

Best Always,

Dan

 

Daniel Brooks

HLAA New York State Association

President

 

HLAA Rochester Chapter 

Board Member and Past President

 

Healthy Living with Hearing Loss (HL2)

Co-Chair

 

Cell/text: 585-704-8191

HLAA NYSA Website: https://nyhearingloss.org/

HLAA Rochester Chapter Website: www.hearinglossrochester.org

HL2 Website: http://www.HL2.urmc.edu 

--
Best Always,
Dan

Daniel Brooks
HLAA New York State Association
President

HLAA Rochester Chapter 
Board Member and Past President

Healthy Living with Hearing Loss (HL2)
Co-Chair

Cell/text: 585-704-8191
HLAA NYSA Website: https://nyhearingloss.org/
HLAA Rochester Chapter Website: www.hearinglossrochester.org
HL2 Website: http://www.HL2.urmc.edu 


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

Rich Osborne
 

I have tried this and it does not work for me. When I put the cursor over the captions, it changes to a hand so I expected to be able to move the caption but it does not have any effect. I have tried several things - all to no avail. I am running Windows 10 and was told it might be an Apple-only feature.


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

Julie Olson HLAA in Wisconsin/Appleton
 

Thanks Dan. That isn’t the problem. Moving the captions works great during the live Zoom meeting. I’m referring to the saved for replay one; the recording.  Not possible to move it on that.

 

Julie

 

From: HLAATech@groups.io [mailto:HLAATech@groups.io] On Behalf Of D Brooks
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 9:46 AM
To: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

Hi Julie,

 

Zoom about month or so ago gave us the ability to move the caption box.  If you mouse over the caption box with your cursor you will see a white hand appear.  Right click on the caption box and drag it where you want to.  I have found there is no perfect spot to place the caption but the feature is helpful at time.  

 

Hope this helps,

 

Dan Brooks

HLAA New York State Association 

President

 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 10:40 AM Julie Olson <julieo@...> wrote:

Sharing an experience with Zoom captions:   Last Friday I participated on Mayo Clinic Connect mentor’s discussion. The captions worked well. Everyone was impressed. I think only 3 of the group need them.  The session was recorded so those unable to attend could review it.  On the recording, the captions were all mid screen, mostly across the speaker’s face. Really annoying. The host was set on ‘speaker view’.  Wondering if gallery view would eliminate that issue.  There were 12 people on this conference.

 

Julie Olson 

 

From: HLAATech@groups.io [mailto:HLAATech@groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Odio
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 7:22 AM
To: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

I am attaching a pdf file, so that you can see the Zoom support response and my response to it. This will make it easier for you to enlarge the text. We may be getting some "traction" here...
--

Carolyn J. Odio

Resident Council Rep
Hearing Loss Group at www.panorama.org

(703) 725-8292 iPhone/Text 

--

Best Always,

Dan

 

Daniel Brooks

HLAA New York State Association

President

 

HLAA Rochester Chapter 

Board Member and Past President

 

Healthy Living with Hearing Loss (HL2)

Co-Chair

 

Cell/text: 585-704-8191

HLAA NYSA Website: https://nyhearingloss.org/

HLAA Rochester Chapter Website: www.hearinglossrochester.org

HL2 Website: http://www.HL2.urmc.edu 


Re: Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

D Brooks
 

Hi Julie,

Zoom about month or so ago gave us the ability to move the caption box.  If you mouse over the caption box with your cursor you will see a white hand appear.  Right click on the caption box and drag it where you want to.  I have found there is no perfect spot to place the caption but the feature is helpful at time.  

Hope this helps,

Dan Brooks
HLAA New York State Association 
President

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 10:40 AM Julie Olson <julieo@...> wrote:

Sharing an experience with Zoom captions:   Last Friday I participated on Mayo Clinic Connect mentor’s discussion. The captions worked well. Everyone was impressed. I think only 3 of the group need them.  The session was recorded so those unable to attend could review it.  On the recording, the captions were all mid screen, mostly across the speaker’s face. Really annoying. The host was set on ‘speaker view’.  Wondering if gallery view would eliminate that issue.  There were 12 people on this conference.

 

Julie Olson 

 

From: HLAATech@groups.io [mailto:HLAATech@groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Odio
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 7:22 AM
To: HLAATech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HLAATech] Captions cover Mouth (iPad) Zoom Ticket #8198634 #ZoomCaptions

 

I am attaching a pdf file, so that you can see the Zoom support response and my response to it. This will make it easier for you to enlarge the text. We may be getting some "traction" here...
--

Carolyn J. Odio

Resident Council Rep
Hearing Loss Group at www.panorama.org

(703) 725-8292 iPhone/Text 

--
Best Always,
Dan

Daniel Brooks
HLAA New York State Association
President

HLAA Rochester Chapter 
Board Member and Past President

Healthy Living with Hearing Loss (HL2)
Co-Chair

Cell/text: 585-704-8191
HLAA NYSA Website: https://nyhearingloss.org/
HLAA Rochester Chapter Website: www.hearinglossrochester.org
HL2 Website: http://www.HL2.urmc.edu