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Re: Captioning question #Captioning

Arlene Romoff, NJ
 

Yes - I agree with this totally.
That has been my experience as well.

Arlene

On Aug 6, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Carol in Boston <carolagate34@...> wrote:

I just want to point out that preferences probably depend on the quality. ASR got a bad name because it was so often wrong. It has improved enormously. If anyone uses ASR with their Innocaption app you know how good it can be. CART is only as good as the provider, but it can never be as fast. The variation among CART providers varies just as the variation among ASR providers vary. But if you use a good ASR provider you know what you are getting. If you know your CART provider, you also so. But in most situations you ask for CART and have no way of knowing how good the provider will be.

So ASR is less of a gamble and it has the plus of speed. 

On Aug 6, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Alan Katsura, Moderator, CA Diablo Valley Chapter <akatsura@...> wrote:

After seeing Ed's post, I think I understand what "final-version" captioning is. It is verbatim but in small phrases. I can see where it may be more accurate and possibly easier to read since there is less likelihood of having to reread the captioner's corrections. Since normally there is a latency between the speaker/video and captions, accuracy is more important than speed.
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Moderator HLAA Tech Group


Re: Captioning question #Captioning

 

I just want to point out that preferences probably depend on the quality. ASR got a bad name because it was so often wrong. It has improved enormously. If anyone uses ASR with their Innocaption app you know how good it can be. CART is only as good as the provider, but it can never be as fast. The variation among CART providers varies just as the variation among ASR providers vary. But if you use a good ASR provider you know what you are getting. If you know your CART provider, you also so. But in most situations you ask for CART and have no way of knowing how good the provider will be.

So ASR is less of a gamble and it has the plus of speed. 

On Aug 6, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Alan Katsura, Moderator, CA Diablo Valley Chapter <akatsura@...> wrote:

After seeing Ed's post, I think I understand what "final-version" captioning is. It is verbatim but in small phrases. I can see where it may be more accurate and possibly easier to read since there is less likelihood of having to reread the captioner's corrections. Since normally there is a latency between the speaker/video and captions, accuracy is more important than speed.
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Alan Katsura
akatsura@...
Moderator HLAA Tech Group


Final-version captioning #poll-notice

Alan Katsura, Moderator, CA Diablo Valley Chapter
 

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Re: Captioning question #Captioning

Alan Katsura, Moderator, CA Diablo Valley Chapter
 
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After seeing Ed's post, I think I understand what "final-version" captioning is. It is verbatim but in small phrases. I can see where it may be more accurate and possibly easier to read since there is less likelihood of having to reread the captioner's corrections. Since normally there is a latency between the speaker/video and captions, accuracy is more important than speed. Does anyone use "final-version" captioning in their meetings? I will post a poll.
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Alan Katsura
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Moderator HLAA Tech Group


Re: Captioning question #Captioning

 

I prefer final version. My experience is the delay is small enough to let me carry on a conversation. I’ve also seen captioning from Olelo where it is in realtime, but then it backs up and corrects.


Re: Captioning question #Captioning

Alan Katsura, Moderator, CA Diablo Valley Chapter
 

Hi, Sara
I heard of captions that are not verbatim but display the essence of the conversation. I have not seen this in practice. It would be interesting to find a video that uses this method. Most people expect verbatim and may become confused seeing something different. 
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Alan Katsura
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Moderator HLAA Tech Group


Re: Captioning question #Captioning

Jack Clevenger, AZ
 

All, I prefer real time and allow for the mistakes that usually are minor.  Having to wait for for  That is my take."accurate" captioning really sets me back being at live meetings.

Jack


On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 1:07 PM, Carol in Boston
<carolagate34@...> wrote:
I prefer real time. I can hear, but miss a lot of words or phrases. Unless the captions are as close to the spoken word as possible they do me no good. The ASR has improved greatly during this past year, so accuracy hasn’t been a problem. Delay is always a problem.

Thanks for asking.

Carol 

On Aug 5, 2022, at 3:59 PM, Sara Oser, President, HLAA North Bay of California via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org <saraoser=aol.com@...> wrote:

I received this question from a group setting up a virtual platform to offer courses:

 I would love to ask your opinion about our online platform development. 
 
We are about to implement captioning and the developers have given us two options:
‘Real-time’ captions, which show each word as it’s spoken, or
‘Final version’ captions, which compose a phrase or sentence after the person pauses. It’s more accurate apparently. 
 
What would you recommend? 

Thank you,
Sara Oser


Re: Captioning question #Captioning

Mary Jarrett
 

I agree.

Mary Jarrett
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On Aug 5, 2022, at 4:07 PM, Carol in Boston <carolagate34@...> wrote:

I prefer real time. I can hear, but miss a lot of words or phrases. Unless the captions are as close to the spoken word as possible they do me no good. The ASR has improved greatly during this past year, so accuracy hasn’t been a problem. Delay is always a problem.

Thanks for asking.

Carol 

On Aug 5, 2022, at 3:59 PM, Sara Oser, President, HLAA North Bay of California via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org <saraoser=aol.com@...> wrote:

I received this question from a group setting up a virtual platform to offer courses:

 I would love to ask your opinion about our online platform development. 
 
We are about to implement captioning and the developers have given us two options:
‘Real-time’ captions, which show each word as it’s spoken, or
‘Final version’ captions, which compose a phrase or sentence after the person pauses. It’s more accurate apparently. 
 
What would you recommend? 

Thank you,
Sara Oser


Re: Captioning question #Captioning

 

I prefer real time. I can hear, but miss a lot of words or phrases. Unless the captions are as close to the spoken word as possible they do me no good. The ASR has improved greatly during this past year, so accuracy hasn’t been a problem. Delay is always a problem.

Thanks for asking.

Carol 

On Aug 5, 2022, at 3:59 PM, Sara Oser, President, HLAA North Bay of California via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org <saraoser=aol.com@...> wrote:

I received this question from a group setting up a virtual platform to offer courses:

 I would love to ask your opinion about our online platform development. 
 
We are about to implement captioning and the developers have given us two options:
‘Real-time’ captions, which show each word as it’s spoken, or
‘Final version’ captions, which compose a phrase or sentence after the person pauses. It’s more accurate apparently. 
 
What would you recommend? 

Thank you,
Sara Oser


Re: Portable Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf (TDD)

Sara Oser, President, HLAA North Bay of California
 

Thanks so much Cherie. That's useful information.
Sara Oser


Captioning question #Captioning

Sara Oser, President, HLAA North Bay of California
 

I received this question from a group setting up a virtual platform to offer courses:

 I would love to ask your opinion about our online platform development. 
 
We are about to implement captioning and the developers have given us two options:
‘Real-time’ captions, which show each word as it’s spoken, or
‘Final version’ captions, which compose a phrase or sentence after the person pauses. It’s more accurate apparently. 
 
What would you recommend? 

Thank you,
Sara Oser


Re: Portable Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf (TDD)

John Woodgate
 

Portable loop systems are quite a powerful advertisement for hearing loops, since they can be demonstrated at very little cost.  Contacta have made a rather #overkill' example: I understand that it is about USD1000. while the manufacturing cost structure of electronic equipment these days is very strange (the electronic parts cost far less than the plastic box they come in), it would be quite easy to make a similar but slightly simpler system for a significantly lower end-user price.

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On 2022-08-04 19:51, Cheri Perazzoli WA wrote:

Hi Sara, 
In Washington state, we are very fortunate to have a hearing loop program through our state ODHH office. 
Assistive Communication Technology (ACT) Program | DSHS (wa.gov)

Washington state residents can request the Contacta portable loop system to be set up for meetings. 
PortableRoomLoopKit_productsheet-1.pdf (contactainc.com)


From the ODHH website:
We also have a Portable Room Loop Kit that can be installed in smaller meetings or conferences to provide people with a hearing loss that wear hearing aids or cochlear implants with a t-coil switch to amplify audio sounds in the room for better hearing.  Individuals who do not wear hearing aids and have a medium to mild hearing loss can wear headphones with a receiver and receive good audio amplification.  

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Re: Portable Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf (TDD)

Cheri Perazzoli WA
 

Hi Sara, 
In Washington state, we are very fortunate to have a hearing loop program through our state ODHH office. 
Assistive Communication Technology (ACT) Program | DSHS (wa.gov)

Washington state residents can request the Contacta portable loop system to be set up for meetings. 
PortableRoomLoopKit_productsheet-1.pdf (contactainc.com)


From the ODHH website:
We also have a Portable Room Loop Kit that can be installed in smaller meetings or conferences to provide people with a hearing loss that wear hearing aids or cochlear implants with a t-coil switch to amplify audio sounds in the room for better hearing.  Individuals who do not wear hearing aids and have a medium to mild hearing loss can wear headphones with a receiver and receive good audio amplification.  

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Re: Portable Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf (TDD)

Sara Oser, President, HLAA North Bay of California
 

Hi Peggy,
Thanks so much for that suggestion. I didn't know about the Univox CLS-1. Sounds like a good and economical solution for looping a room.
Sara Oser


Re: Portable Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf (TDD)

Peggy Bell, FL
 

The Univox CLS-1 kit includes a loop driver that will work with 100’ of copper looping coil that can be temporarily ‘installed” on top of carpet or other flooring. The entire kit plus a few loop listeners retails for under $1k.

Beauty of the CLS-1 is that you can output the audio to two loops - the room loop and another looped item - seat cushion or floor mat. I’ve set this system up in less than 30 minutes in a variety of spaces…call or text if you have any questions. 516-697-0067.

Peggy Bell
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Re: Portable Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf (TDD)

Sara Oser, President, HLAA North Bay of California
 

Hi Stephen,
Thanks for the input. I'm processing all the information and thinking of the best way to present it.
Sara Oser


Re: Portable Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf (TDD)

Sara Oser, President, HLAA North Bay of California
 

Hi Debbe,
Nice meeting you in person at the convention, and equally nice meeting your friends.  Thanks for the input. I'm collecting everyone's information.

Sara Oser


Re: Portable Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf (TDD)

Sara Oser, President, HLAA North Bay of California
 

Hi Julie,
Thank you for your input.  It's very helpful. 
Sara Oser


Re: Portable Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf (TDD)

Sara Oser, President, HLAA North Bay of California
 

Hi Arlene,
Thank you for your input. It's very helpful.
Sara Oser


Re: Portable Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf (TDD)

Stephen O. Frazier
 

Sara -  Here would be some options for a portable system.
 
1.  A hearing loop using a small driver like the Oval Window Microloop III and a half dozen loop receivers with earphones would be one solution.  It's not really all that difficult to temporarily loop a 100 square foot area once taught how to do so.  Our local HLAA chapter did this for years until they found a "home" where they could permanently install the loop and I've used a similar system to do presentations in rooms without a good ALS.  This would have a learning curve while users became familiar with loop/telecoil technology .
 
2.  Simpler to understand and to use would be something like this Williams Sound set of equipment.  If should include both earphones and possibly 4 or 5 neckloops for telecoil users.  ListenTech sells similar kits but I believe their kit includes a single ear device rather than earphones which is not adequate in my opinion. 
 
3.  A less expensive option would be this 4 person ALS.  It is a "single ear" system which would not be as  good a earphones but I believe the latter could be added and used just like the neckloops.
 
 
 
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---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Sara Oser, President, HLAA North Bay of California via hlaagroups.hearingloss.org" <saraoser=aol.com@...>
To: HLAATech@...
Subject: [HLAATech] Portable Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf (TDD)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2022 18:05:29 -0700

Does anyone know about portable TDD devices?  We have received a request from the county asking which TDD devices are best and where to purchase them. The event is for 15-30 mostly senior citizens in the audience and a microphone being used in the front.  They want to use the devices for other events also.  Any help is appreciated. Thank you.

Sara Oser
HLAA North Bay President
415-710-7281

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